The Lady Speaks

Blogging for Choice III

Here’s more George Carlin to finish up the day:

[…] But let’s get back to this abortion shit. Now, is a fetus a human being? This seems to be the central question. Well, if the fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn’t count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come if there’s a miscarriage there isn’t a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say “we have 2 children and 1 on the way” instead of saying “we have 3 children”? People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it’s a continuous process! Continuous, just keeps ~rolling~ along! ~Rolling~, ~rolling~, ~rolling~ along!

And say, you know something? Listen, you can go back further than that! What about the carbon atoms, huh? Human life could not exist without carbon! So is it just possible that maybe we shouldn’t be burning all this coal? Just looking for a little consistency here in these anti-abortion arguments. See the really hard-core people will tell you that life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says “Gee honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me.”

[snip]

Now. Speaking of consistency. Catholics, which I was, until I reached the age of reason, Catholics, and other Christians are against abortions and they’re against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals? Leave these fucking people alone, for Christ’s sake! Here’s an entire class of people that’s guaranteed never to have an abortion! And the Catholics and Christians are just tossing them aside! You’d think they’d make natural allies!

Go look for consistency in religion. And speaking of my friends the Catholics, when John Cardinal O’Conner came to New York, and some of these other Cardinals and Bishops have experienced their first pregnancies, and their first labor pains, and they’ve raised a couple of children on minimum wage, then I’ll be glad to hear what they have to say about abortion! I’m sure it would be interesting! Enlightening too. But, in the mean time what they ought to be doing is telling these priests who took a vow of chastity to keep their hands off the alter boys. Keep your hands to yourself, Father! Ya know? When Jesus said “suffer the little children come unto me”, that’s not what he was talking about!!

[snip]

But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase, ‘ sanctity of life’. You’ve heard that, ‘Sanctity of life’. You believe in it? Personally, I think it’s a bunch of shit. Well I mean, life is sacred? Who said so, God? If you read history, you find that God is one of the leading causes of death! Has been, for thousands of years! Hindus, Moslems, Jews, Christians, all taking turns killing each other cause God told ’em it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the lamb, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead mother-f*ckers. Millions of dead mother-f*ckers, all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. “Do you believe in God?” “No” Pfft, dead! “Do you believe in God?” “Yes” “Do you believe in my god?” “No” Pfft, dead! My God has a bigger dick, than your God! That’s all it is!

Thousands of years, thousands of years, and all the best wars too, the bloodiest most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me, hey any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other, I’m a happy guy! But don’t be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean even if there were such a thing, I don’t think it’s something you can blame on God. No you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up! You know why? ‘Cause we’re alive! Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred!

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January 22, 2007 - Posted by | Abortion, America, Birth Control, Blogging for Choice, Government, Politics, Protest, Reproductive Rights, War On Women, Women

10 Comments »

  1. World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.(likely 55 to 60)

    Over 3,500 per day / Over 1.3 million per year in America alone.

    50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

    A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

    And 2% had medical reasons.

    That means a staggering 98% of unwanted pregnancies may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.

    I am a 98% pro-lifer, 2% Pro-choicer, who has no religious convictions at all . I didn’t need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
    You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
    You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term you can consider yourself lucky.
    Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.

    Don’t you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?

    At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

    Though it pains me to say it , there may always be a need for the 2% medical reasons and such, but that’s all.

    So how do we get the other 98% to be responsible……………….

    How do we get them to be honest with themselves, about when life begins.

    egg+sperm = human being

    If you still think the point of conception is NOT when life begins, and all you have is a clump of cells and not a living human being.
    Then at least concider this –

    Soon after you were conceived you were no more than a clump of cells.
    This clump of cells was you at your earliest stage, you had plenty of growing to do but this clump of cells was you none the less. Think about it.
    Aren’t you glad you were left unhindered to develope further.
    Safe inside your mother’s womb until you were born.

    Sadly many prefer an occasional abortion, over using birth control, they have all kinds of reasons, each of them selfish.

    Then there’s the christian impossition,and their men in high places.(all a bit talibanish, church and state should never entwine) their stance against birth control has only added to the numbers.

    I’d like to see effective birth control made available to all who can’t afford it.

    Sanity must provale, abortions should remain available and safe to the 2% and such, and the rest need to have a good look at themselves and get their act together.

    I’d also like to see a 4D ultrasound in every clinnic to provide a more informed choice,
    before going through with something they may regret.

    Want to know how to find humanity-?

    True humanity can only be achieved, by concidering others/ caring about others, as much as, if not more than yourself.

    Until we do we are no more than an uncivilisation,

    with all the uncivilised things that we do…

    Comment by ausblog | January 22, 2007 | Reply

  2. Holy Hannah in a basket! Please comment, not write entire treatises.

    I’m going to answer only one part of that missive: Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?

    You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.

    Perhaps the Momma-person herself will stop by to add her thoughts, but I’ll start this discussion:

    I was born January 31st, 1969. My mother became pregnant with me just out of high school and yes, she most likely would have considered abortion had it been legal. In fact, she probably considered it anyway. Am I upset or disturbed by that? No. I understand the fear and worry that plagues a young woman who finds herself in that position – even one who has supportive parents and friends. Been there, done that, as they say. Sure, I wouldn’t exist and neither would my kids, and my husband would be married to someone else (oh wait…he iswas…uh, I’ve lost count) but….we wouldn’t be here to know about it.

    And yes, if I’d chosen to have an abortion instead of choosing to give birth, I wouldn’t have a son about to turn 20, and I wouldn’t have a 14yo daughter, but they wouldn’t know about it, and I would not have known them.

    Here’s one for you: In June 1964, a (presumed) young woman left a newborn baby in a shoebox in a motel room in Towanda PA. She was (we assume) too young to care for a child and had no support system. She did the best she could: she gave birth to her child and left him where he was likely to be found quickly. He eventually grew up and married me. (And wowsa, did that not work out!)

    How many children are left in dumpsters in this country because young women are afraid to tell their parents they’re pregnant or they can’t afford abortions? How many abused children in this country are the result of pregnancies that were forced to continue because of a lack of resources or a lack of knowledge about the options available? How many special-needs and minority children languish in foster care because no one wants them, not their real parents and not prospective adoptive parents?

    Sperm and egg might make a fetus, but “life” does not begin until that life is capable of living outside the womb. That ‘collection of cells’ is no more capable of living outside the body than is a cancerous tumor – and has no more intelligence that that either. It simply has the potential to become a living, thinking human.

    I do agree with you that the way to reduce the number of abortions is birth control – and comprehensive sex education that teaches kids more than “just say no” – but to say that women must be forced to bear children because the condom broke or they forgot a Pill one night – or dipwad was ‘startled by the phone’???

    You’ve simply made my argument that this isn’t about ‘life’ it’s about punishing women for having sex.

    Comment by PA_Lady | January 22, 2007 | Reply

  3. I believe, firmly, that when we have these kinds of metaphysical discussions we are trying to lower God to mans level. I do believe that he has the power of Real Life and Real Death, and no one, NO ONE, is born or dies by mistake.
    I do not know where the huge statistics come from. Think of your circle of friends, and think of how many have had abortions. I am almost 57 and there is only one person, that is close to me who has made that choice. And it was hers to make.
    When I worked as a nurse, I know there were women terminating pregnancies, and I know not one…not a single one..did it lightheartedly.
    I prefer abortion over dumpsters, and overburdening the foster care system.
    In an ideal world, all children would be wanted, loved, cared for, by their family, their school, church, community, and the government. This is not an ideal world. We have to work with what we have.
    We learn in medicine that adults have the right to choose their care..even if we disagree with the choices. I am not against parental notification, because kids often think their parents will kill them. But I am not for parental notification until after the Dr. has seen the young woman, and talked to her about her home life, and made a relatively intelligent decision as to how safe she would be once the news comes out. Some girls truly are in danger.
    Respect my friends. Thats all woman continue to ask for. Just a little RESPECT.
    Just to be a little radical, tho. The potential for life exists in every egg, and every sperm. How many potential babies go floating down the shower drains of men?
    If you are pro-forcing woman to have babies, I won’t try to change your mind. But I do suggest you get on some adoption agency’s list as soon as possible.

    Comment by Mom | January 23, 2007 | Reply

  4. Was I ever faced with the decision. Yes.
    I was married, and already had 3 children. I was planning to leave. Then I discovered myself pregnant. It was not the end of the world, and after reflection, I knew I could manage.
    I was mature enough, and knew no matter how rough life got, We would be ok. But it was my choice.
    No one elses. We need to leave this choice intact. Woman fought a long hard battle. Coat hangers were the main method when I was a teen…lets not go back.

    Comment by Mom | January 23, 2007 | Reply

  5. Thanks Mom! Should I feel some kind of anger because, in the midst of a life crisis, you thought about not having the baby that turned out to be the Great&Wonderful Beffie? Hell no! Had that been your decision then none of us would have known the spirit that became our Beffie.

    I had several classmates who became pregnant our senior year. Three didn’t use birth control. Two used birth control, but still ended up pregant, and the one honestly believed the old myth that you couldn’t get pregnant the first time. (*sigh* And girls still fall for that. I’ll bet Adam said it to Eve – and then blamed her for Cain.)

    Only one chose abortion, and she chose it because she believed her potential, her plans, her dreams were more important than the idea of a child.** And because she knew she did not have any interest in being a mother. In fact, she was fairly certain she’d be as horrible at it as her mother had been.

    Almost 21 years after graduation, she’s still childless by choice and content with her choices. The sad thing is, because of our society’s patronizing attitude toward women, she had to wait 15 years to get a tubal ligation because no doctor – not even female ones – would perform it because she was ‘too young’ to decide she’d never want children.

    ** Was she selfish? Goddamned right she was! Because she was believed she and her life were important, not cheap trinkets to be tossed away for the illusory ‘joys of mothering’. When boys and men stop running away from their pregnant girlfriends because they have dreams and needs and plans for the future that a baby would wreck, then and only then does someone get to blame a woman for being selfish.

    Comment by PA_Lady | January 23, 2007 | Reply

  6. I have found some evidence that proves that a fetus is a living human being…….

    The Unborn Victims of Violence Act is a United States law which defines violent assault committed against pregnant women as being a crime against two persons: the woman and the fetus she carries.

    This law was passed in 2004 after the murder of the then pregnant Laci Peterson and her fetus, Connor Peterson.

    Comment by ausblog | January 25, 2007 | Reply

  7. More from Wikipedia….

    Right-to-life and legal personhood ……
    mpinge directly on the abortion issue, because of a perception of these moves as a slippery slope strategy to restricting abortion choice. [4]

    GO GET YOUR OWN BLOG

    AND…..

    Comment by ausblog | January 25, 2007 | Reply

  8. The “born alive” rule is a legal pri….

    STOP LITTERING IN MINE

    ..rison for killing the unborn (and rightfully so) then the unborn should have equil consideration in relation to abortion..

    Comment by ausblog | January 25, 2007 | Reply

  9. Oh, I see, my words are too good, so you refuse to display them.

    With each new generation, comes the realisations of some of the mistakes of the former.

    Something to do with evolution I suspect.

    Many practices of the past are no longer practiced.

    Abortion should soon join the fray.

    So should female circumcision, and all types of oppression,we need to see that all mankind has their basic human rights respected.

    Comment by ausblog | January 30, 2007 | Reply

  10. No, twit. The problem is that you are taking up too much space. If you want to write ad infinitum, go for it. Write to your little heart’s content. Just do it somewhere else. Start here…or here…or here.

    Legal or not, abortion has always existed and will always exist. The difference is fewer abortions are needed when birth control is easily accessed, and fewer women die when abortions are performed in STERILE medical facilities by trained physicians.

    Or would you rather have some back-alley “practitioner” stick a coat-hanger up your daughter’s vagina, past the cervix, and into the uterus and then do a little swishing around with it, possibly going too far and puncturing the uterine wall, causing hemorrhage and infection and – if she survives – possibly rendering her childless for life?

    Oh – wait…. Probably a good majority of “pro-lifers” would rather that happened, as this is about punishing women for having sex and stopping them from making their own decisions.

    If it were really about life you’d all be rallying to stop wars and end homelessness and hunger and adopting all the non-white non-blue-eyed non-male non-infants who are left to the tender mercies of the foster care system.

    Comment by PA_Lady | January 30, 2007 | Reply


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