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Katy TX – how pathetic

I was going to title this post “Texas Bigots” but thought it might be redundant.
Would the folks of Katy be as upset by a Christian church or a Jewish temple? I think not. And they wonder why some people think all Texans are big-haired, backwards morons, rednecks, members of the KKK, and/or loyal supporters of His Imperial MajestyChokes-on-Pretzel….the President.

From the AP, via MSNBC:

A plan to build a mosque in this Houston suburb has triggered a neighborhood dispute, with community members warning the place will become a terrorist hotbed and one man threatening to hold pig races on Fridays just to offend the Muslims.

Many neighborhood residents claim they have nothing against Muslims and are more concerned about property values, drainage and traffic.

But one resident has set up an anti-Islamic Web site with an odometer-like counter that keeps track of terrorist attacks since Sept. 11. A committee has formed to buy another property and offer to trade it for the Muslims’ land. And next-door neighbor Craig Baker has threatened to race pigs on the edge of the property on the Muslim holy day. Muslims consider pigs unclean and do not eat pork.

[snip]

Katy, population 13,000, is a mix of middle-class bedroom-community neighborhoods and small farms on Houston’s western edge and boasts of being the hometown of Oscar-winning actress Renee Zellweger. It is 70 percent white and 24 percent Hispanic.

The Houston metropolitan area has about 170,000 Muslims, according to the Islamic Society of Greater Houston, and among their many mosques is one built in Houston by former NBA star Hakeem Olajuwon.

The Islamic association bought the land in Katy in September for $1.1 million. It said the overall cost of the project has not been determined.

The dispute began when the group asked Baker to remove his cattle from their newly bought land. Baker agreed but mistakenly thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years. The rumor spread.

[snip]

A few complaints about the mosque project have also trickled in to Harris County offices: The “Coming Soon” sign was on government property; the parking lot gravel was piled up without a permit; the project would increase traffic in the quiet neighborhood.

County Commissioner Steve Radack said traffic concerns can be addressed as they are elsewhere, with off-duty police officers. He also noted the group has said it would comply with rules on drainage and flood control.

Cynthia Blackman wrote Radack that the center was a security risk: “Would you and your family safely and comfortably live next to this 11-acre Muslim mosque and facilities?”

The reaction has not been all negative. Fotouh said one man came to the mosque on a Friday afternoon and apologized for his neighbors. “He moved me, really,” Fotouh said. “The sense of fairness, the sense of standing by the underdog.”

Though he now concedes the Muslims are probably not after his land, Baker said he is obligated to go through with the pig races, probably within the next few weeks, because “I would be like a total idiot if I didn’t. I’d be the laughingstock now because I’ve gone too far.” [emphasis mine]

Um….but-

Never mind.

December 8, 2006 - Posted by | America, Bush, Conservatives, First Amendment, Islam, Religion, Texas

20 Comments »

  1. Been reading your website and I enjoy the diverse opinions expressed.
    Regarding recent Texas/anti-mosque story I have another take on it. While bigotry in all forms is wrong, is discrimination(word didn’t use to have bad connotation) such a bad idea?
    Recently I’ve been reading several news pieces about the lack of assimilation of Muslim immigrants in European nations and have begun to wonder if people shouldn’t be concerned. What many of us call extremists is sometimes “normal” expressions of Islamic faith; much as Christianity in Middles Ages is viewed today as extreme was considered the norm back then.

    One example:
    The “abnormal”(can it ever considered be normal?!) misogyny in Islam towards non Muslim women is too rampant
    to be an anomaly.
    Below is a web address from a column of several news stories about just such cases of hate crimes against non Muslim women, many even in the democratic West.

    So while bigotry may be the main motive of many anti views against Islam I would caution sometimes it may be genuine fear of extremists. Extremistism, in any dress, Islam, Christianity, or other religion, or political philosophy from any persuasion should be cause for notice.
    Today, Islamic extremism is not just an isolated small number. Certainly not when even ‘cartoons’ can provoke murderous mass riots world wide.
    The question I wonder is how are non Muslims to know difference of Islamic extremists from the peace-loving Muslims when something as simple as a free press and speech,which most of us take for granted, can set off unexpected violent reactions among “peaceloving”
    Muslims.

    Type in the below web site if interested in recent news stories about hate crimes/attitudes against western women by Muslim men and clerics.

    frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20646

    Comment by Kathy | December 11, 2006 | Reply

  2. You’ve made some interesting points; most of them seem geared toward discriminating against one segment of the population because of the discrimination practiced by that segment. Maybe I’m reading it wrong?

    The fact is, discrimination is wrong. Our country was founded on the principle of everyone having equal protection under the law, and of everyone being innocent until proven guilty. We aren’t afraid of young, blond, disenchanted men with a history in the military, and yet one blew up a building and killed 168 people – including children – and wounded hundreds more.

    For whatever reason, humanity has always blamed one segment for the ills perpetrated by a few. And practices in Europe or the Middle East mean little here. In this country, a Muslim man cannot discriminate against or sexually harras women in his business practices, simply because the law (and the women) will not allow it. The opposite is true in the Middle East, where the law and the women tolerate and even allow that behavior.

    Comment by PA_Lady | December 11, 2006 | Reply

  3. PS. I’ve killed the link to that website. The last thing I want is for my blog to be linked to a bunch of bigots. As an example of the bed-wetting brigade, y’all are outstanding.

    Comment by PA_Lady | December 11, 2006 | Reply

  4. Discrimination against those who would remove your freedom is not a bad thing.
    If you doubt this, see this youtube video for a start.

    Then this one

    Ask yourselves this, is THIS what you want potentially in your neighbourhood ?
    If you told the truth about Mohammed.. that he used revelation to provide unlimited sexual conquests for himself, but forbade the ‘ordinary’ believers that privilege, would the people from this mosque attack you as they did in London and Eqypt ?

    Here is Surah 33:50
    033.050
    YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee (for marraige) ….(list of wives and relatives) …and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large)

    This might not seem so dramatic until you realize Mohammed approved of and practiced Nikah Mutah (Temporary marraige)
    So, he could have as many 1 or 2 or however night stands as he liked.
    They did not say “He had the sexual strength of 30 men” for no reason.
    Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
    Narrated Qatada:

    Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).”

    Did Mohammed approve of raping newly captive women ? YES
    Bukhari
    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

    We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s Apostle about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.”

    So lets not kid ourselves, this is a vile and disgusting religion, which curses Christians in numerous places

    Quran Surah 9:30
    (regarding Christians) “…Allah’s curse be on them, they are deluded and away from the truth”

    Mohammeds death bed words

    Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660:
    Narrated ‘Aisha and Ibn ‘Abbas:

    On his death-bed Allah’s Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, “May Allah’s Curse be on the Jews and the Christians..”

    Please check these references if you have any doubt about their authenticy.
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

    Is Islam peaceful ?
    http://www.truetruth.wikispaces.com is a site I researched.

    I would have not the slightest reservation about discriminating against this religion and its followers at an immigration and local level.
    “Remember Hamtramck”
    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3358067/detail.html
    jdrmot@tpg.com.au for any more contact.

    Comment by David Ross | January 7, 2007 | Reply

  5. “This blog is anti torture” I note on the web page…good.

    See this please.
    Hadith Muslim book 16:4131

    This (news) reached Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

    Sounds like torture of the most inhuman kind to me.

    Comment by David Ross | January 7, 2007 | Reply

  6. Discrimination against those who would remove your freedom is not a bad thing.

    Oh, good. Then I can discriminate against bed-wetting Repubs. who’d like to take away my right to practice (or not) the religion or belief of my choice? Or who’d like to take away the rights protecting me against unlawful search and seizure? Wonderful!

    I see your Qur’an quotes and raise them with my Bible ones, from the Skeptics Annotated Bible:

    Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
    31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

    Isaiah 9:20And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm.

    Isaiah 13:16Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

    Jeremiah 19:9 - And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.-

    Sex? Oh, we’ve got that too:

    Genesis 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father 19:33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose 19:34 Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father 19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

    Judges 19:24Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you. 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning.

    Multiple wives? Yep…

    2 Samuel 12:11 - Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

    Anything you say about the Qur’an can pretty much be matched by the Bible. Mostly Old Testament – not a real surprise since Mohammed is a descendent of Abraham.

    Comment by PA_Lady | January 8, 2007 | Reply

  7. Speakin O bigots, Lady, if the foo sh!ts…..etc
    Who are YOU calling names? Just to set you straight (ha ha) pay attention….

    1.Bush, the Chimp Thief-in-Chief, is from New Haven CT. His Pappy is from Minton, Mass. They, like so many yankee swine, figure that if they changed planes in Dallas, that they can claim to be a Texan.

    I wish Baker would move his gig to Crawford. Those guys deserve each other. And YOU should be mandated to judge the races. A lot of your opinions are in my favor, but to claim that Bush is CLOSE to a Texan bumps you to the bottom of the list.

    Comment by Texas Fred | January 8, 2007 | Reply

  8. Fred! Actually you’re right. I certainly did make the mistake of believing El Chimpy and family (and so many others) are ‘real’ Texans.

    And I do apologize for being just as bad. I should have tried (in some sad, pathetic way) to make it clear that the first line is snark. I do not believe all Texans are like this. Hell, y’all elected Ann Richards!!

    I’ve actually had the pleasure of living in Texas, for a few weeks anyway, while my now-ex was in tech training at Sheppard AFB. I was 8 months pregnant at the time, and the people of Wichita Falls were some of the kindest I’ve ever met.

    Comment by PA_Lady | January 8, 2007 | Reply

  9. David Ross is a liar who is deliberately citing incomplete quotes out of context. This is the classic tactic of christofascists who are afraid to debate Muslims, choosing instead to hide behind the internet and post rubbish. Why is it that Muslim-Christians debates are promoted by Muslims but not Christians?
    Perhaps because Christians like Ross do NOT want their brethren to read the Quran and see what it really says, and how much it differs from their forged Cyrus Scofield Bible.

    Comment by Joe | January 9, 2007 | Reply

  10. Texas Baker Cooks-up Controversy with Muslims

    Katy, TX, a township within the Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown Metropolitan area. Population, roughly a whopping 11,800, so why is a big-time New York City Metropolitan-Muslim blogger like Abu Sahajj writing about Katy, Texas? Well, its because Katy Texas …

    Trackback by Hakim Abdullah | January 11, 2007 | Reply

  11. David Ross,

    Slander and Libel is unacceptable despite religion but for the religeous there are consequences for libel against the Prophets (a.s.)

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261:

    Narrated Anas bin Malik: A group of eight men from the tribe of ‘Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.” Allah’s Apostle said, “I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.” So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, “They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.”)

    and

    Book 016, Number 4130:

    Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of ‘Uraina came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncogenial. So Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right. They then fell upon the shepherds and killed them and turned apostates from Islam and drove off the camels of the Prophet (may peace be upon him). This news reached Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he sent (people) on their track and they were (brought) and handed over to him. He (the Holy Prophet) got their hands cut off, and their feet, and put out their eyes, and threw them on the stony ground until they died.

    or

    Book 38, Number 4356:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

    Some people raided the camels of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), drove them off, and apostatised. They killed the herdsman of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was a believer. He (the Prophet) sent (people) in pursuit of them and they were caught. He had their hands and feet cut off, and their eyes put out. The verse regarding fighting against Allah and His Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was then revealed. These were the people about whom Anas ibn Malik informed al-Hajjaj when he asked him.

    I really wish you people would stop and think before you commit your actions… may God have mercy on you David Ross.

    Comment by Hakim | March 1, 2007 | Reply

  12. Ummm…Hakim, I’m not even sure what you’re saying. Are you saying that the above passages mean those who claim to be religious, but commit crimes, are to be punished in such a way? Or that David Ross’ quote was taken out of context?

    After all, it’s kind of hard to convince people that Islam is a religion of peace when you’re talking about cutting off people’s hands and feet, taking out their eyes, and whatnot.

    Personally, I have a dislike of all major religions. I choose to practice none, excepting certain teachings from various sources which I feel are essential truths – goodness and mercy towards all mankind, being grateful for each moment of each day, treating all people with respect, respecting all beliefs while trampling on none. caring for “the least of these.” I find most religions are authoritarian structures, all insisting theirs is the only “Way” and filled with pompous men who crave power, and attain that power by sujugating those around them, especially women.

    Comment by PA_Lady | March 1, 2007 | Reply

  13. No, I’m saying that David Ross chose to exploit text from the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad for his own purposes. However, he did not include the entire passage so that readers may understand the context.

    In my comment I included the entire hadith not only from one but three seperate sources so that the context is clearly understood, that is what I’m saying.

    So tell me after reading the three examples from my comment and David Ross’s excerpt who appears deceitful?

    Comment by Hakim | March 1, 2007 | Reply

  14. Okay, that’s what I thought, but I wasn’t exactly sure. (The brain’s a little foggy after two days with a terrible head cold.)

    I do agree that David was simply picking inflammatory quotes, which is why I did the same with the Bible quotes. One could do the same with any religion, except perhaps, Buddhism.

    It does seem, however, to be a particular trait of the Christian zealots to simply pick a line and throw it out as an example of the “heinousness” of another religion.

    Christianity gets no pass on heinousness, from me, considering the numbers killed by its strictures. From the time of the founding of the Roman Catholic church, Christianity, in all its various sects and divisions, has been the cause of much bloodshed.

    Comment by PA_Lady | March 2, 2007 | Reply

  15. It’s true that there are violent verses in the Bible and the Koran. I think one of the major differences is that I dont currently see the Biblical verses being cited to incite murder and torture and suicide bombings against non-jews or non-christians.

    Meanwhile, today, the Koran will be cited thousands of times all over the world, saying that jews and christians are evil and deserve to suffer a cruel death.

    Comment by eff | March 4, 2007 | Reply

  16. Google Uganda.

    From Global Security:

    Northern Uganda suffered from civil unrest since the early 1980s. Hundreds of people were killed in the rebellion against the Ugandan government, and an estimated 400-thousand people were left homeless. Political violence increased in Kampala with the 1998 and 1999 bombings of several popular restaurants nightclubs, and other public places. Eight foreign tourists, including two Americans, were murdered by an Interehamwe guerilla group in Bwindi National Forest in March 1999. Rebels were active in the northern and western sections of Uganda.

    President Yoweri Museveni used Uganda’s military to battle the two main rebel groups, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) and the Allied Democratic Forces (ADF). Thousands of children fell victim to the war – abducted by both the LRA and the ADF to serve as fighters or porters. As the conflict between the Government of Uganda (GOU) forces and armed insurgent groups intensified in late 1996, the GOU military began encouraging rural people in affected areas to move into protective camps. However, the military provided only a short period for the move and undertook little preparation for the influx of people to the protective camps. Uganda’s economy also suffered, with billions of dollars of the government’s budget going to the military. The instability from the civil war, and growing domestic and international pressure to find a way to stop the fighting, apparently prompted President Museveni to back away from the military option and look for a political solution.

    From Global Security’s page on the “Lord’s Resistance Army”:

    The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) , led by Joseph Kony, operated in the north from bases in southern Sudan. The LRA committed numerous abuses and atrocities, including the abduction, rape, maiming, and killing of civilians, including children. In addition to destabilising northern Uganda from bases in Sudan, the LRA congregated in the Bunia area in eastern Congo. They linked up with the Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR) and other rebel groups battling with forces from the Rally for Congolese Democracy (RCD)

    [snip]

    The LRA continued to kill, torture, maim, rape, and abduct large numbers of civilians, virtually enslaving numerous children. Although its levels of activity diminished somewhat compared with 1997, the area that the LRA targeted grew. The LRA sought to overthrow the Ugandan Government and inflicted brutal violence on the population in northern Uganda. LRA forces also targeted local government officials and employees. The LRA also targeted international humanitarian convoys and local NGO workers.

    The LRA has abducted large numbers of civilians for training as guerrillas; most victims were children and young adults. The LRA abducted young girls as sex and labor slaves. Other children, mainly girls, were reported to have been sold, traded, or given as gifts by the LRA to arms dealers in Sudan. While some later escaped or were rescued, the whereabouts of many children remain unknown.

    Comment by PA_Lady | March 4, 2007 | Reply

  17. to all the misinformed ignorant out there, this incident is happening right in front of my eyes, as my house is 2 streets in front of baker rd., a street named for the baker family, who have been there for over 100 years making their money from the family owned marble company, also located on baker road, not as a farmer or slave-owner). the real story is that the muslims bought the land that craig baker did not own, they then walked up to his door and asked for him to please leave the land, (which was classy to say “PLEASE” to a man who has owned and operated his handed down famliy business for 3+ generations and 100 years, NICE) and the street that holds the same name as the one on his mailbox. so, puzzled at who might have the stones to ask him to leave, he was soon informed that the trio of people that stood on his doorstep and asked him to relocate his wife, 3 kids, house and business and just you know… move somewhere else, were members of an american islamic group called the katy islamic association or k.i.a. baker then collaborated on what to do, and then decieded to try to buy the land from them. but when they refused he offered them, with help from the surrounding neighborhoods to pull together a more than generous offer for the land(rumored to be 5X what k.i.a. bought it for). then came another request for baker to move but this time without the “please” he then concluded that to welcome them to his part of town by holding the pig races. now you are informed on the real story from someone who has seen it with his own eyes and ears, not some barely researched, left-wing radical piece of crap that one might call journalism… 3rd grade at best. oh that “small” town of katy with 13000 people, those city limits are about 15 miles away, so the area which is in question, is called home for about 180,000 people. but better luck next time in over-exaggerating and discrediting texans and our state and plus clever jab at the president in there truly creative and original. really never been done! when your journalism career fails you can fall right into entertainment, taking over on the daily show in place of ultra liberal john stewart. good day

    Comment by Conner | April 26, 2007 | Reply

  18. And so another of the hardcore 28% is heard from. A Rush Limbaugh/Don Imus fan, no doubt.

    I’m guessing, but I bet Connor is also a product of the Texas education system….

    Comment by PA_Lady | April 26, 2007 | Reply

  19. What a hypocritical little bitch you are. Typical liberal hag spewing typical ignorant bullshit. Go ahead, defend the rights of a bunch of muslims who would stone you to death, if they were in charge.

    So blissfully ignorant and intolerant.

    Comment by Steve | November 1, 2010 | Reply

    • Hmmm…must be some of that “Christian” love and compassion you’re spewing there, Steve.

      I would defend the right of anyone to worship as they wish. Even Christians.

      Comment by PA_Lady | November 4, 2010 | Reply


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